The Dark Secrets of a Hacking Hero

The Dark Secrets of a Hacking Hero

Lauren Goode: Hi, everyone. Welcome to Gadget Lab. I'm Lauren Goode, a senior writer at WIRED, and I'm joined remotely by my cohost, WIRED senior editor Michael Calore. Hey, Mike.


Michael Calore: Hello. Hello.


LG: Nice to hear from you again. Nice to see you over Zoom, although we can't be in person in studio.


MC: Good to see you too.


LG: And we are joined this week by WIRED senior writer Andy Greenberg, who's also the author of Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers. Andy, thanks for joining us.


Andy Greenberg: Hi, guys. Nice to see you, remotely.

LG: Andy, I just learned that it's been a really long time since we've had you on the WIRED podcast, possibly six years or so? We were trying to figure out when, but I'm happy to say that nothing has changed since then. There's no news. The world is not dramatically different since the last time you were on the Gadget Lab podcast.


AG: So, we'll just call this a wrap.


LG: Exactly.


AG: Go ahead, drink some coffee.


LG: We've actually brought Andy on this week to talk about a really compelling story he wrote that published this week on WIRED.com. It's the most popular story on our website right now, and for good reason. It's called "The Confessions of Marcus Hutchins, the Hacker Who Saved the Internet" and it's also WIRED's June cover story.


So back in 2017, Hutchins put a stop to a malware called WannaCry, which some of you might remember. At the time, it was the worst cyberattack in history, but Marcus found a ..

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